Wait for them to mention children first
‘So when are you two having kids?’ lands on miscarriages, clinic bills and settled choices you can’t see. What the asked say back, and what to say instead.
Built from the people who were asked when they were having children — at weddings, at work, at the family table — while carrying a miscarriage, a clinic bill or a settled choice, and from the fifteen separate conversations that agreed the question was never small talk. 444 accounts, 2015 to 2023.
‘So when are you two having kids?’ It comes at the wedding, at the work lunch, across the table at a holiday. The person who asks means it as warmth. The people in these conversations are the ones it landed on, and fifteen separate conversations — the widest agreement in the whole set — say the same thing about it: it is not small talk.
They can say what it lands on. A miscarriage. Fertility treatment. An ectopic pregnancy, a cancer, a bill that one account says can wreck a household. A couple whose orientation or whose legal position the asker did not know, who would have to out themselves to answer. And nine conversations speak for the people who simply do not want children, whose settled ‘no’ is treated as a phase — three conversations say ‘you’ll change your mind’ is the line they mind most. One account puts it plainly: you are asking whether a couple is having sex, and calling it bonding. Two corrections meet the defence that the asker meant well: one says intent is not impact and the norm has moved; the other calls it plain nosiness.
Wait for them to mention children first; if they never do, that was the answer. If they do mention it, and it is not going well, three separate conversations agree the whole of the right response is ‘I’m so sorry’, and then to listen. Not ‘just relax’ — a contraindication and a correction call it harmful, and stress is not the cause. Not ‘you could always adopt’ — two conversations say it dismisses a specific grief, and one correction says adoption is nothing like the television version.
And if you are the one who is asked: the people here have a sentence for every temperature. ‘Why do you ask?’, kindly. The dog. ‘That’s private.’ Or, for the persistent asker, one account’s offer to let them cover the birth, the childcare and the school fees. Three exchanges argue how blunt to be, and the accounts’ decider is how persistent the asker is and what the relationship is worth. One account says they like being asked, because it is the chance to end the assumption out loud — this page carries them, and the four who did not agree. None of the advice here says you owe anyone an answer.
Common questions
Why is it not just small talk?
Because the people here can list what it lands on, and the list is long. Fifteen separate conversations — the widest agreement in these conversations — say that asking a couple when they will have children, or why they have not, is rude and can do real harm, and ten more say why: fertility is medical, private and often grief-shaped, and a casual question walks straight over it. The accounts name what they were carrying when they were asked, one each: a miscarriage; IVF; an ectopic pregnancy; a near-death during a pregnancy attempt; a cancer; the cost of treatment, which one account says can wreck finances and relationships both. Two conversations add the people the question can expose without meaning to — a couple whose orientation the asker did not know, or who face legal barriers to adopting where they live — so that the answer would out them. Nine conversations speak for the other group: the people who do not want children, whose decision is settled and whose ‘no’ is treated as a phase; three conversations say ‘you’ll change your mind’ is the line they often hear. One account says the question can carry an assumption — that a woman will come round, that childlessness means something is wrong — and another that childlessness is not a medical condition, so assuming it is one is both wrong and rude. One account puts the bluntest version: you are asking a couple whether they are having sex, and it is not bonding. The corrections in these conversations meet the defence head-on: two accounts say older people ask in order to connect, and the correction is that intent is not impact; the question hurts regardless of the motive and the norm has moved — and a separate account adds that the person who was asked does not owe an explanation. The people here are careful to say the asker is usually not cruel. They are saying the question is.
What should I say instead — and what should I never say?
Ask about anything else, and if they raise it, listen. One account says older people who want to bond should ask about hobbies or anything else —. If someone does tell you they are trying and it is not working, three separate conversations agree on the whole of the right response: ‘I’m so sorry’, then quiet, then whatever they want to say next. One account says offer a listening ear for the medical detail or the venting, and nothing else. The list of what never to say is the accounts’ own. ‘Just relax, it’ll happen’: a contraindication and a correction both call it dismissive and harmful — the correction points out that stress is not a primary cause of infertility and that telling someone to relax works about as well as telling an angry person to calm down. ‘You could always adopt’: two conversations say it dismisses a specific grief, and one correction says adoption is slow — five to seven years — expensive, and comes with long waiting lists — two cautions add that it is out of financial reach for many and that the rules differ by country. Advice about positions or methods: one caution says it is the thing people undergoing treatment find hardest to hear, and another caution names advice blaming the house’s heating system. Congratulating a new parent when you do not know the whole story: one account says the couple may have lost a pregnancy before this one, and the cheer lands strangely. And if you have said any of these to someone in the past, one account says a message to apologise,, was appreciated more than you would think.
I’m the one being asked. What do I say?
Whatever costs you least, and the people here have a range. The gentle end, one account each: ‘Why do you ask?’ — said kindly, which puts the question back where it came from and, they say, usually ends the conversation; a cheerful non-sequitur about food and a change of subject; the dog or the cat as the children; a dry ‘working on it’ or ‘we’re practising’, which one caution notes only works if the asker takes the joke. The middle: a plain ‘that’s private’, or ‘we don’t discuss that’, which the accounts say you are entitled to without further explanation — you owe no one grandchildren. The firm end, for the persistent: one account asks the questioner whether they will be covering the birth, the childcare and the school fees, and says it silences the table; one gives the asker a detailed education on the medical reality of infertility; one simply refuses to answer. The people here argue about the tone. One exchange, one account to three, says polite redirection fails against a determined asker and the blunt options are what work; another, one to four, has the four preferring a blunt, even shocking shutdown and the one preferring polite but firm boundaries — this page sides with the one, and says so; a third, one each way, is whether to keep the peace or deliver the education. The accounts’ deciders overlap across all three: how persistent the asker is, your own tolerance for conflict, and what the relationship is worth — one caution says an aggressive deflection can damage a relationship with a relative who is ignorant rather than malicious, and one says humour backfires when it reads as dismissing someone else’s suffering. One exchange, four accounts to one, has the one saying they actually like being asked, because it is the chance to say clearly that they never want children and watch the assumption die; this page carries it, and notes the four. One more exchange, one each way, is whether to tell the family the truth — that you do not want children — to stop the questions, or to deflect indefinitely because the truth starts a bigger fight; the accounts’ decider is the family, and this page has no better one.
They asked again. And again.
Then it has stopped being a question. Two separate conversations say asking a personal question once is rude and asking it again after a clear answer is, in one account’s word, turbo-rude; two say the pressure does not stop with the first child — the next question arrives before the family has adjusted; two say relatives who have been told the boundary simply ignore it, and the accounts’ advice to those relatives is to leave the topic alone until the couple raises it. Three conversations say the answer they hear, ‘you’ll change your mind’, is a dismissal. The people here try to explain the asker without excusing them: one account says older generations grew up where large families were the default and the question was ordinary, and does not notice it has become a judgement; one correction says an older person who repeats themselves may be isolated rather than forgetful, with no new stories to bring, and that offering them a different question sometimes gives them one. One caution, two accounts, warns the other way: not every older relative means well, and assuming they do is how nosiness and pressure get a pass. Two accounts draw lines this page agrees with: a casual question at a family table is one thing and repeated probing from a workplace superior is another category entirely, and the same question lands differently on someone in their mid-thirties than on someone of twenty-two. If it is a boss, the sibling page on the new boundary is the one you want.
What if the disagreement is inside the relationship?
Then you have arrived at a different question, and these conversations contain a long argument about it that this page will not pretend to settle in a paragraph. Whether a partner who says ‘no’ to children will change their mind is argued three accounts to three in one conversation and across several others; the accounts on one side say take the answer as final and do not build a life on the hope, and one contraindication says exactly that; the accounts on the other say people change as they age and find safer partners, and one caution rated high says assuming a partner will change their mind has ended marriages. That is a page of its own, with its own reader. What belongs here is the line the people here put above the whole argument, and this page repeats it from the safety note because it is the one contraindication no reader should miss: lying to a partner about contraception to force a pregnancy is not a way to resolve the disagreement, it is an assault. Everything else about that disagreement — when to raise it, what ‘I don’t know’ means, whether it is a deal-breaker — the people here argue at length, and this page hands you to them rather than summarising it.
What people worked out
Shorter, plainer notes on the same ground — each with the number of people behind it.
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